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I would just say they (nerds) are perfect natural born betas. And I'm hot!


This is the process I went throught back in 2005 to get a job in IT after graduating in Business in Poland: 1. Got a position with an Indian company that promised a job after paid training ($5k) 2. After 3-month long training they totally and completely faked my resume. I.e. included 5-years experience, fake credentials, fake references. 3. Got me a job with large, large bank. 4. Got half my salary for 6-months. 5. After that I was on my own as I couldnt stand lies anymore.

From my experience 90% + people from H-1B is on these terms in the US. We had trainees on our "camp" that literally haven't seen PC keybaord before. Ending up as IBM tools specialists in Fannie Mea, Freddie Mac, Capital One.

This much about H-1B. And this much about interview process int the US too. And actually about dumb Americans who can't get a job in that country too.


I see your point here, and it is valid -- to some extent.

Yes, the "Indian" consultancies have been exploiting this system for ages and US Govt has been trying its best for past three years to not grant visas if USCIS can not establish Employer-Employee relationship. But still these consultancies always find loop holes.

I have come to this country as an immigrant as well. I went to an average university first in midwest and then transferred to a top 10 engineering school. I have seen "Americans" who can not do basic algebra in Calculus 1 classes. And I have studied/work with "Americans" who are at the top of their game. It is really subjective. Unfortunately, American media is exporting "Booty Culture" (think Kim K.) to the world rather than preaching about their rockstar scientists and engineers.


> job after paid training ($5k) 2. After 3-month long training they totally and completely faked my resume. I.e. included 5-years experience, fake credentials, fake references. 3. Got me a job with large, large bank. 4. Got half my salary for 6-months. 5. After that I was on my own as I couldnt stand lies anymore.

Wow, your lie tolerance threshold must be way higher than most people. I know a few very needy people who balked several times at "fake experience". You just can't hide that, esp not with poor English!

> From my experience 90% + people from H-1B is on these terms in the US.

If you meant 90% of all H-1Bs - then it clearly falls into lying category. May be if you compromised so much for the job you don't have so much of a problem vastly upwards estimating something that benefits your viewpoint?!


May be it's not 90% but I have a friend who experienced the same thing, she gave up after 2 weeks once she realized the lie. I honestly think the US government is lazy in this aspect. It's not that hard to track down those consultancies. Not relevant but that reminds me of the tax case where an unemployed girl filed for $2M tax return and got the money (only got caught later when she lost her card).


And then you also have the fake universities giving out diplomas and OPT: http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_25410171/visa-mil...


My Dad got himself a brand new laptop (i7, 8gb ram, ssd, etc). And a brand new printer HP OfficeJet (big black shiny machine with all the bells and whistles).

He couldn't print his stuff for work. He called me up. After over an hour I gave up. Windows 8 couldn't figure out which drivers to use. The CDs attached with printer didn't help too. I mean the installation went smoothly, but then nothing was printed. Check your cables, etc. messages like we are still in 1996.

I don't have time for this BS. Drove back home, got my macbook pro. Came back to my Dad's home and did THIS: 1. connect printer to the mac 2. driver installs after clicking 'OK' or 'install', dont even remember at this point 3. print

that's it! Welcome back to 2015!


And on our network the Windows PC prints fine, but the Macs have no idea what's going on.

TL;DR: Printers still suck.


If only there was some sort of Printer Command Language that would negate the need for these issues.....?

Or perhaps some form of scripting language that you could post, perhaps they could even call it PostScript?


it is 10% talent and 90% hard work. Not the other way around.

I love coding Ruby. But all the design and front end work? From HTML5 to CSS. Forget it. But if I focused on "effortless" Rails coding only -- this would get me absolutely nowhere. Not to mention unix skills, administration, making customers happy, etc.

Sure, would be easier to work for a big corp and do Rails coding only. But then there are other hard or intolerable things there (intolerable to me!). Like bosses proud they can't code with BA's in Political Science. Or lazy coworkers. Or whatever else.

Life is hard and then you die. If you can find happiness in this sentence (and I can!), if you can still find sense in all of that and be happy somehow. That's happiness. Because sh*t always happens.

And all these rich young kids. They might have problems on their own too. They might have no social live. They might have had no childhood. They may have nobody candid to them to hang out with. They may be poor as far as their people relations go or as far as their free time goes. What's so awesome about working 24/7 and all the money when you have no time to enjoy it? This is being really poor. It's exactly like not being able to afford going to vacation because of lack of money. You can't go period. No money or no time, both make you poor. As lack of social live does.


The problem with statements like this is their total lack of balance.

What I mean is that because of Guantanamo you will have people like this going on the air at Russia TV claiming the US Government is a "criminal organization". Nevermind that you are hearing this from KGB sponsored Russia TV that will not discuss at any length things like genocide of over 1 milion chechens or murders ordered by Putin.

For me, it's a bit like someone in the 1930s going to a German Nazi sponsored radio saying how bad racism is in the USA while not thinking twice about anti-semitism of the Germany.

And then at the end of the day you really end up with people who think USA is horrible because of things like Guantanamo being totally prone to Russian propaganda. When Russia is so, so much worse.

The things aren't in perspective when you get rid of context.


>"The things aren't in perspective when you get rid of context."

Context is not necessary. Torture and murder are never okay. So no matter how much "worse" Russia is over America, we will not excuse either. And you can insert any two countries you like in that example above; it'll still apply.


Genocide of 1 milion of your own citizens - this is what Putin did. You say American presidents are as bad? Really?!

So Hitler saying Roosevelt is horrible because of racism in the US is perfectly fine in your book?

Or what about murderer being a judge in a thief case?

I wish Americans were so ready to see issues in Russia, Iran, China as they are to see very small errors in the US policy.

Russians are banned to even watch CNN nowadays but you guys buy Russia-TV fed propaganda day and night.


>Genocide of 1 milion of your own citizens - this is what Putin did. You say American presidents are as bad? Really?!

So in comparison can I say that Sandusky was a pretty swell guy whose indiscrittions were completely blown out of porportion? Or what about Ariel Castro? He was a pretty upstanding citizen who was bullied into suicide by the media and a government giving his actions undue focus (in the grander scheme of things).

I'll agree that often our priorities are screwed up, but these individuals who have hurt tens of people are still very bad people. That their total victims is less than rounding error of the victim counts for worse individuals in no way defends what they have done.


>"So Hitler saying Roosevelt is horrible because of racism in the US is perfectly fine in your book?"

Yes. Additionally, it has no bearing on the bad/horrible things Hitler is/was doing at the time I asked the question. Obviously he can't get a free pass for his evil deeds by saying 'but look, Roosevelt is racist, so what I did is OK'.

>"I wish Americans were so ready to see issues in Russia, Iran, China as they are to see very small errors in the US policy.

Russians are banned to even watch CNN nowadays but you guys buy Russia-TV fed propaganda day and night."

I'm not American, so I can't comment on that part. But in general, I agree with you, people need to be more outraged about everything in general. Whether it's something horrible in Russia, or mildly horrible in America, it should spark outrage/action.

Though there is something to be said about going for the "low-hanging" fruit first. But, let's face it, most people couldn't be arsed to fix their mildly-bad implementation of democracy. What makes you think they'd be willing to try fix the horrible government in a different country/continent?


I will omit other comments you made as I might agree on them or not really care that much.

Here is an important (to me!) point that you made:

>I'm not American, so I can't comment on that part. But in general, I agree with you, people need to be more outraged about everything in general. Whether it's something horrible in Russia, or mildly horrible in America, it should spark outrage/action.

You say people need to be more outraged. I say they need to look into things in a balanced way. If you watch Russia TV only and nothing else, there is a very good chance you will be outraged about a few dozen Guantanamo prisoners being tortured not even knowing at all that they media outlet trying to make you angry about it, is at the same time sponsored by organization (KGB, Russian Government) that took part in a genocide of over 1 milion people. If you listen just to Geobbels and never turn on BBC, you are outraged about wrong stuff (you said that), or your opinions are out of balance (that's what I would say).


The more I consider your argument the worse it becomes.

How many times have we heard politicians complain a foreign country is blaming their problems on outside forces and rallying its people by saying they do what they must to protect themselves from the evil west or whoever?

How is your argument rhetorically different than any demogogue in history? Obama stands up and has the gall to drcry foreign extremism, meanwhile he stands silent on the torture occurring in front of him in his own yard.

War is not peace, despite how often you shout such nonsense.


Again, balance. Let me give you an extreme example to picture my way of thinking about it to you. Again, it is an extreme exaggaration.

We have 1938. The whole world is talking about Nazis. French, Russians, Brits, Argentinians. You name it. There will be a war, we have this maniac Hitler there, blah, blah, blah. Then - as a tourist I suppose let's say a tourist from France - you visit the US. No mention of Hitler in the US newspapers. It turns out that Americans give very little thought to Nazi Germany. Why? Because they are all horrified and talk all the time about this prison where criminals suspected of killing thousands of Americans are kept. Turns out they were tortured.

Here in Europe we have ISIS from the South. Putin from the East. It's not like China wastes their time too, especially when you look at their Navy and what it is doing on Vietnamese, and foremost Japanese territorial waters.

Fear not. Guantanamo. US Government is horrible. As bad as Russian Iranian, or Chinese. Without them we would have world peace. Jesus Christ just look at Guantanamo!!!

And then - being a tourist - you are obviously like: how this happened? Why they are like this? And you check their news outlets. Turns out they watch KGB-TV to get their news and trust it more than their Government.

When I see something like this, I'm like, dude you don't deserve democracy you have. You are too stupid for it. You will be a Jew proudly voting NSDAP. (sorry couldn't help myself)


Just how much worse is Russia?


Chechnya: if I'd need to compare to the US, it would be like the USA invading New Mexico and doing there a genocide to a tune of over 1 milion people (civilians).


So your argument is yeah we torture and murder people without cause but this other guy over there, he tortures and kills even more people so it's okay.

America is also recently responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq and surrounding countries. We continue to support a military junta in Egypt -- anyone want to dredge up Obama's beautiful speech about freedom he made in Cairo?

No one has really responded to my question, how bad must your employer be, apparently torture isn't bad enough, before you refuse to work for him, or at least stop applauding people who sign up to go help out at the torture club.


The problem with people like you is that if we don't do anything inn Syria then you say people die. And if we do something you say because we did something people die.

Very hard to please you.


This is not a response to my question.

Also, stop attributing arguments to me and that I'm not making here.

Judged by their actions, American policy makers have zero interest in improving the life's of ordinary civilians throughout the middle east. We ignored Bahrain, we are actively supporting the Egyptian junta, we arm random Syrian rebels, we indisrimately bomb the former remnants of Iraq.

But answer my original question, you seem to be fully willing to work for and defend n entity that tortures and murders without cause, would you also work for a mass genocidal killer? How is it controversial to express repugnance for those willing to abet torture?


it's called "parents rights". It has been since forever. Sorry that not the whole worls lives in your utopian cultural marxist la-la-land.


What does any of that have to do with the labor theory of value?


you tell me, you started mixing it in your original post


Not the whole world needs to follow liberal ideology. It's pluralism. A good thing.

I'm surprised how often liberals turn out to be such a totalitarians. It makes me sad.


I'm not sure I understand what of the grandparent post constitutes a liberal ideology.


I think you are pretending

Dislike to all other lifestyles than a liberal one. Attack any religion or ideology that doesn't put humans and their lives on the pedestal. I.e. Amish put there their God. It goes right against the liberal values (i.e. human life and rights are the most important thing not some imaginatory "God").

I like pluralism. I like to live in a country where people believe in different things and are free to express it.

Liberals made the US a bit totalitarian in a sense that you can get fired for petty remarks about gay or races. It almost feels like in a few more years we will have Jacobins with guilottines beheading everyone who doesn't want to be a liberal or cultural marxism proponent.

Very funny how you pretend you don't see it. That's what we call left-wing hypocrisy: you are becoming exactly this what you originally wanted to fight: injust totalitarian crushing anyone not agreeing with your worldview.


So, I'm just guessing here, but "basic respect for all people" is the criteria you're applying to put someone into the "liberal" category? Can you explain what makes "petty remarks about gay or races" OK?

Do whatever you want. But don't claim that gives you the right to harm others.


petty remark about gays == prompt employment termination == harming others ???

You mean the ex-employee was harmed as he lost his employment because 1st Amendment doesn't protect him anymore?


I literally have no idea what you're talking about. I am honestly confused.


no worries. Liberals have tendency to be lost every time you ask them about your Consitutiona Rights. At least you are not alone.

Do you think that we got 1st Amendment to talk about whether while drinking tea? No! We got them to ask hard questions. Like why blacks are 75% + od the prison population even though they are only 15% of the general population? `i won't get honest answer to this by anyone because you guys don't believe in human rights (right to free speech) and killed them.


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