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That's unnecessarily cynical. I've been in plenty of companies where the staff, managers included, enjoy going for a pint together. I'm in the UK, maybe it's cultural.

I agree, I made it too black and white. I should've said that some, probably most (in my opinion), of such decisions are made with productivity in mind, whether it's in the form of team cohesiveness or favorable view of management, but some are just because managers have the best interest in mind for their subordinates.

OTOH, if you've witnessed how most managers talk about their employees to one another, it's with a cold calculating language. Sure, a manager may feel bad for firing an employee, but first and foremost is the business analysis of whether it makes sense to do so - just pure math and predictions.

Personally, if I was in a management position and an employee asked me for a cigarette, I would happily give it to them. In fact, a few times a week I give a few cigarettes to 1 person who is not my employee, but who I talk to from time to time. I don't gain anything from this and I give them cigarettes because they are on a tight budget.

Also, if I, as a hypothetical manager, realized a lot of my employees would take an offer for free coffee, cigarettes, pure nicotine, beer or another drug, I would give it to them as long as it didn't hurt productivity too much. Of course some drugs like alcohol could hurt short term productivity, but it would make them happier overall, which would have positive long term effects. If asked why I do this, I would say that I'm both giving them out of my good will and to increase productivity, which would be true.


Don't forget driving, the most dangerous thing one can do in the West. It sounds be the first thing to be banned, really, the costs are just too enormous.


Western governments see car owners, smokers and drinkers as a steady income stream while preaching against them.

I was on a bus yesterday which took three times as long as it should have done. An hour and a half on a bus, and I still got in late despite setting out early. That was in a city. If you live outside a city, the public transport is even worse. I've missed job interviews, dates, other transport connections etc due to public transport. So yes, there are costs to that too.


Please provide a source for that claim. An honest person would rather doubt than resort to logical fallacies.


And Zapp's scene in the restaurant was a parody of Shatner's spoken word covers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yfbsu1bbQE


This is the most toxic of urban legends. Fiduciary duty to shareholders means acting in the interests of the company rather than your own. There is no duty to maximise profits against all morals.

See https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fiduciary_duty


You're absolutely right, but the line between acting in the interest of the company and acting to maximize profits is so thin it might as well not exist.

It can be in the company's interest to act for the good of society and a CEO can claim that it is his fudiciary duty to act in the interest of society.

But when society's interests are in direct conflict with the interests of the company you cannot expect a CEO to act in the interest of society.

Even if a CEO is perfectly within their rights to act against the interests of the company, it doesn't change the fact that investors might replace him if the CEO does so consistently.


Not even remotely true. This is an urban myth.


So the reason companies act against the interests of society is just a personal moral failing of the CEO and nothing else?


Its because they make more money, not because they have a fiduciary duty.


So you have a fudiciary duty to put the company's interest first and you have no legal duty to put the public interest first (as long as no crimes are being committed).

What do you expect to happen in such a system?


That's the technical meaning, but in common language the two gave been interchangeable for centuries, so it's regrettably hard to be pedantic.


If you own an item you want to destroy, no problem. If a company owns an item it want to destroy, it can't anymore. The conflation of persons and corporations has been responsible for an enormous amount of evil, and it's time to start distinguish the two again.


Agree, a corporation can do orders of magnitude more harm than an individual can. It’s called “regulation”.


What evil? I think it would be very hard to have a system of law without corporate personhood. Every time you wanted a law to eg ban x, you would need a separate law for corporations.


A company isn't AI or a bot. It's essentially a group of people. It should have the same rights as an individual when it comes to private property.


Your reasoning makes sense only if it's just as easy to sentence the group to jail time as it is to sentence the individual--and pretty much everything else about a corporation is set up to make it harder to do that.


If it's an unlimited partnership or something, _maybe_. Approximately no companies implicated are, though; they're typically limited liability companies of some sort. A limited liability company demanding human rights feels a bit like having your cake and eating it.


It is not a group of people. It’s a legal entity that represents their economic interests.


There's a sizable logical jump between your second and third statements.


I'm sorry you think that.


That's what the judiciary is for. Really!


Because as long as there is a theoretical edge case, nothing should be done, your model is flawed. That's a mentality very common amongst software engineers. In the real physical world, even tying your shoes has edge cases.

Hmm, thinking of it, it may explain the love of sandals in said community.


This kind of reply is so cliché it's tiresome. "Someone makes small step to avoid waste and environmental damage" -> "if it's not perfect it's no good at all, let the free market sort it out at t=infinity".

Guess what, the free market doesn't give a shit as long as the executives make their millions.


Where even are all the people wandering around naked for lack of clothes? There's so much donated clothing already out there. And the homeless here mainly 'need clothes' because they have no way to wash their clothes. It'd be less wasteful to get them access to laundry facilities. And the developing world always gets the "PATRIOTS - Super Bowl LX Champions" gear and a ton of other cast-offs - I doubt they need more.

To me this whole regulation sounds like a bunch of virtue-signaling politicians wanted to pat themselves on the back.


If I had that kind of hustle, I'd be finding out who exports the losing teams T-shirts and reimport them. I'm sure some Pats fans would pay $50 a shirt to live in an alternative reality.


Unlike virtue-signaling corporations that burn the planet down just to get more shareholder value in the next quarter.


Then fewer clothes will get manufactured, which is exactly the goal.


You sound American, so why do you even care? Have fun in the land of the free.


Same reason you read and comment about America, I guess


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