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> What I want to know is why isn't Google allowing users to uninstall some of the apps that come with the devices?

Interesting that you are "blaming" Google for this instead of vendors, when (usually) it vendors who make their crap uninstallable. Or do you see lot of uninstallable stuff in AOSP?



A significant number of Google apps are mandatorily non-uninstallable on all Android phones (including Pixels), such as Gmail, Play Books, Play Movies, Play Music, Gmail, Google Maps, formerly G+ and Hangouts. I haven't used Android in a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if Allo and Duo have been added to the list.

Most of the bloatware problem is, in fact, Google's apps. If you have duplicates on your phone, it's because Samsung or whoever else made their own apps, but were forced to ship Google's anyways.


The bloatware is the Samsung apps. If Samsung wants to go that route, they could choose to use the open source version of Android along with their own apps.


What's the difference between Samsung's Email app and Google's GMail app? What makes Samsung's bloatware but Google's not in your mind?

They're both pre-installed apps that some people might or might not need that you can't uninstall.


Samsung's email app is crap and additional to the google app, while gmail feels like a useful default email app.

It's a super fine line that is basically just preference, and they are both bloatware in a technical sense (can't uninstall it).


Those Google apps are part of the default Android experience. And I'd prefer a consistent experience as possible from phone to phone. It should however it possible for the end user to install any other apps of their own preference. I certainly don't want to manufacturers and carriers to force them upon me.


You bought a Samsung phone, why wouldn't you have Samsung apps? Apple phones have Apple apps. Everyone need not have a single company's apps shoved forcibly down their throats.


> Apple phones have Apple apps.

> Everyone need not have a single company's apps shoved forcibly down their throats.

So it looks like Apple is shoving their apps down our throats.


Don't you expect Apple phones to have Apple apps and Samsung phones to have Samsung apps? Why is Google supposed to be the dictator of experience on a Samsung device?

And in a world where 85% of phones run Android, do you consider that an upside? That people only have the choice between Apple or Google experiences, and no others?


Because they created the OS. If Samsung has an issue with it then why don't they leave Android and start using their own OS?


Samsung is certainly within their rights to take the free portion of Android and replace the rest of the missing stuff with they own funky little apps.


> A significant number of Google apps are mandatorily uninstallable on all Android phones (including Pixels),

Point taken and conceded.

Although I'd point out a small subtlety in the matter that they are definitely not mandatorily non-uninstallable on all Android phones, namely those that do not ship Gapps to begin with.


Phones running Android that don't ship with GApps aren't allowed to be called "Android phones". Being able to use the Android trademark requires that you pass Android certification, a part of which requires including the GApps on the handset (and I expect they even require that you make some of them non-uninstallable).


By uninstallable you mean ununinstallable?


I made the same mistake in my reply. :( But my edit button still worked so I just fixed it.


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