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I can’t think of a big tech device company that’s any less driven by money than apple. What makes them so unique, in your mind? In my experience I’ve had less unwanted tracking and advertising, and better support compared to other phone and laptop manufacturers I used to buy from.


Not everything needs to be a "big tech company", but you are right big tech companies are quite similar in this respect. At critical mass capitalism seems to cause companies to lose their driving principles that made them unique - their behaviour becomes more of a mindless ecology driven solely by money.

Now look at Mozilla, it's a non profit, look at everything it does, they have never lost their principles. They will never reach the scale of Apple, Google or Microsoft, and that's a good thing.

> What makes them so unique, in your mind?

Beyond the negatives that come at their scale, Apple are doing some systematically deceitful things directly to customers that make them stand out from other companies ([edit] talking about their attitude towards customers with defective hardware). If they think that little of individual customers, how could they possibly care about an individuals privacy?


> Now look at Mozilla, it's a non profit, look at everything it does, they have never lost their principles.

I take issue with this. Mozilla has a corporate arm and they're the ones in control of Firefox marketing and development. Take for example the fact that they were (most likely) paid to install an extension to advertise a TV show.

Apple has yet to display any ads to me on my Mac, unlike Microsoft in Windows. I think your criticisms are well intended, but your conclusions are way off.


That's just for legal reasons. Profits from the Corporation are put in to the Foundation. There are no shareholders making money.

Mozilla weren't paid for Mr Robot. Their finances are made public.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation

> It owns a taxable subsidiary: the Mozilla Corporation [...] The subsidiary is 100% owned by the parent, and therefore follows the same non-profit principles


The downvotes might be because you responded to a request for more detail with:

> I don't think I need to explain what those are...

Why don't you humor us and give some examples anyways?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/complete-control-apple-a...

This is just one example, In general when Apple hardware fails from any kind of defect, one of two things happens:

1. They blame the customer and suggest replacing large portions of the computer (unnecessarily) at such a high cost as to justify recommending buying a new machine.

2. In the rare cases they have been publicly pressured into admitting fault, they will replace parts with newer parts with the same defect and repeat this cycle until out of warranty or the customer just gives up.

For the cases where the user is to blame for damage, #1 is also applied, this would not be such an issue if Apple wasn't also lobbying against independent repair shops and seizing their parts under false claims of trademark violations.

They are deceitful... there is no way around it.


I didn't downvote, but yeah, not sure what the poster is getting on about.

Personally, I think Apple is significantly different than the other company with respect to customer data, etc.

Apple Pay, iOS vault, etc., come to mind.




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