What does Phoenix have to do with it? The guy can't say anything good about Rails without us talking about Phoenix?
Have you looked at Django?
Have you looked at Laravel?
Have you looked at Go?
Rust?
Node?
We get it everyone is doing web frameworks noawdays, Rails isn't unique.
Sheesh, why so much hostility? Elixir and Phoenix were created precisely to address Ruby's and Rails' shortcomings, and by noteworthy Rails contributors no less. They're incredibly good (paradigm-shifting even), the community is great, etc. They're also not mainstream yet, so it makes perfect sense to mention them. Just because you're tired of hearing about something it doesn't mean there aren't (lots of) people who have never heard about it. (See https://xkcd.com/1053/)
In fact, if you're tired of hearing about this, you might want to expand your bubble a little bit.
(I have no involvement with them, just a passerby.)
For starters, phoenix has had "support" for the equivalent of fiber-safe database connection pools forever, and it's advanced enough that you can concurrently run tests that checkout database "sandbox" transactions and you can spawn a task off it "that runs in another fiber" which will still know which database sandbox to use and with about 10LOC you can make it so your integration test can issue an http request to the server and the "fiber" that handles the request operates in the same sandbox. Oh, and this pattern is part of the standard library so it will work with just about any other thing that needs to share global state (like mocks), not just databases.
The reason he mentions Phoenix and Elixir is because it differentiates from every other language and framework due to its concurrency and memory models. Those models make hard things easy that you simply cannot do in other web frameworks.
That is why he mentions it. It’s not “another web framework”, it’s changing the expectations for what you should be able to do without all of the crazy plumbing that was mentioned earlier.
He replied with that because it’s quite literally the answer to the problems pointed out. Not “another web framework, k thanks”.
Phoenix is often mentioned in conjunction with Rails because Elixir's syntax is often described as "Ruby like" and the guy who made Elixir is(was?) a member of the rails core team.
> Yeah I get it, thanks. I still think it would be nice to stop it.
It would be nice for the rest of us to have informed, considered responses in comments rather than little rants. But it seems as though no one's getting what they want today.
