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In Europe you can go ahead and charge your BMW i4 on a Tesla charger. Europe wisely set a common charging standard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ

Incompatible charging infrastructure is a profoundly stupid outcome. All brands of charger must charge all brands of EVs.

It's a mistake to support closed infrastructure. Demand more and better.



It's great Europe chose a common standard, but the CCS plug is just a horrendous bit of design by committee IMO. The difference in size alone vs NACS (the new name for the open standard for the Tesla connector being adopted by Ford):

> https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/...

> In Europe you can go ahead and charge your BMW i4 on a Tesla charger.

You also can in the USA at some Tesla super chargers and new ones going forward, thanks to Tesla's new Magic Dock at the US superchargers (they now support both CCS and NACS). While a common standard would have been nicer, this is a relatively neat solution that lets a single cable work for both standards and provide DC fast charge.

> https://insideevs.com/news/657335/tesla-magic-dock-rollout-m...


Yeah, but in Europe Tesla now needs to actually compete against a big choice of EV car manufacturers and models. That isn't great for Teslas profits when they actually have competition across the whole market from different brands. Musk stock investors aren't profiting.


Not actually true, the standard didn’t work. You cannot charge a non Tesla on European superchargers despite them using CCS2. (Though they are now opening up superchargers to non teslas everywhere)


What's not actually true? The video I linked to demonstrates a BMW i4 charging on a Tesla V2 charger.

Europe uses CCS Type 2 Combo. Teslas sold in Europe use CCS Type 2 Combo. Old Tesla chargers were retrofitted with CCS plugs years ago. New V3 and V4 Tesla chargers in Europe only have CCS plugs.


Until recently the plug compatibility was irrelevant, as there was no way to start supercharging on a non-Tesla car.


So.. your complaint is that Tesla has been a multi-brand charging laggard? That Tesla could have and should have opened their chargers a lot sooner than they did through software updates since they were already using compatible hardware?

Yes, that's true.


No, my complaint is your statement is misleading, because you were praising Europe's standardization and yet it did not include standard payment infrastructure and or require interoperability and therefore failed to create interoperable fast charging.

The video you linked to is not a result of that standardization, but of Tesla deciding to open its Supercharger network. They are doing this in US also despite not yet having a standard plug, so you could make the same video today in the US. The rollout of non-Tesla charging at Superchargers is more or less in the same state in both regions, so therefore the standard plug did not help.


> The rollout of non-Tesla charging at Superchargers is more or less in the same state in both regions, so therefore the standard plug did not help.

It is not.

There are 11 Tesla charging sites open to all EVs in the US. There are many more than that in Europe and there's no need for goofy adapters. That's the usefulness of standardization.

Use Tesla's own map. Turn off all options except for "Superchargers Open to Non-Tesla". Compare the US and Europe:

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=55.56650460365597%2C...

Try using A Better Routeplanner to plan some drives in Europe. Use any EV model with CCS. Configure the planner to prefer Tesla charging sites over other charging networks:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/


I agree standardization is better. And yes, they started this program in Europe about a year before the US. My point still stands that your original comment was misleading.


> My point still stands

It does not. You are comprehensively wrong. It's difficult to see how you could be more wrong.


He was correct, it was not the result of the plug standardization. It was the decision to open the SC network.




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