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No. It is commonly assumed as "I and other [group]" means that you are part of the group, but not always. It could mean you and other group share the same situation.

"I and other dads, had to wait for the train." are you a Dad? Most likely based on general use, but what if you were just the tour guide for the dads.



Then you would say "I and a group of dads". "I and other dads" directly states that you are part of a group (dads).


No it doesn't. It can. "I and a group of dads" creates disassociation where there may be more association to the group than their status as dads.


> No it doesn't.

What? Yes it does. To any native English speaker, “I and other X” means you’re part of X, always.




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