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Putin not arrested by ICC member Mongolia, which could now face prosecution (politico.eu)
6 points by JumpCrisscross on Sept 3, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 23 comments


The ICC is a joke. It does not "work" on US presidents and politicians.


The goal is to try to set precedents so that eventually it is taken seriously and isn’t a joke. Hopefully some day it will apply to people like Kissinger.


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> Giving up on investigating American crimes in Afghanistan

The ICC has no jurisdiction in the U.S. We never ratified the Rome statute.


Russia hasn't ratified it either.


> Russia hasn't ratified it either

Fair enough. Operating difference is Ukraine is coöperating with the ICC. Afghanistan didn’t in 2017, a reason the ICC cited for rejecting prosecution.

The Taliban could have petitioned to have the case reöpened. But for obvious reasons, they, too, weren’t interested.

(Context: Ukraine ratified. Iraq never did. Afghanistan did under U.S. occupation in 2003.)


>Afghanistan didn’t in 2017, a reason the ICC cited for rejecting prosecution.

That wasn't stopping ICC before the US put sanctions on its members involved in the investigation.


reöpened

Ooh la la. That's some fancy language you're speaking.


The warrants were never about "the evacuation of orphan children from the war zone". You knew that already. And I think you know also that no one here believes or is otherwise mollified by the Kremlin's soothing catchphrases, or any of the other obfuscations it attempts to present to the world as a cover for what it has done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-...

Changing topics to what other countries have done doesn't get Putin off the hook, either.


The U.S. is the most powerful nation in the world. We have an unprecedented capacity to destroy organized state power. It is naive to think that the first steps toward international accountability for world leaders would feasibly start with or initially include the U.S.


On the other hand prosecuting US politicians is a wonderful way to independetly materialize a armed revolutionary militia in your country


It's naive to think it's steps in that direction at all. The steps needed would include the whole world putting economic sanctions on the US and stopping them only when the US gives up all its war criminals just like Serbia did.


It is a step in the right direction because we are talking about it. The idea of a world leader being accountable for evil acts it now no longer as absurd as it was in 1900. Hopefully, soon, more and more people will wonder why U.S. leaders aren't similarly held accountable. It will be a good thing when that happens.


People wondered about that long ago. The answer is simple -- the US will devastate a country that would risk arresting a US president.


Sorry. I should have said "more and more Americans" instead of "more and more people".


Looks like Rube Goldberg machine to me. Americans just need to look into their soul and ask themselves "are we the baddies?".


I’m sure they’ll get a strongly worded letter.


<sigh/> How large a military force do the ICC and "Human rights campaigners" have standing ready to defend Mongolia, if Russia and/or China took exception to Putin's arrest?


Why do you presume that Mongolia would even want to arrest Putin?


I don't. Why do you presume that I do?


Mongolia had options that do not involve Putin ever setting foot on their soil. This is a diplomatic failure that will be scrutinized justly, no matter how people feel about the ICC.


Why on Earth would Mongolia want to exercise that "option"?


Because the alternative is hosting a war criminal on your soil? Mongolia has control over their own airspace and diplomatic relations, there are ways to avoid arresting Putin without making the ICC or NATO angry.


Well, why then talk about Russian threat to Mongolia?




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