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NATO was defeated in Afghanistan and humiliated in northern Syria. Bringing in them into Ukraine not going to do anything other than further antagonize Russia. You can dig around what really happen during the last days of Kabul flee (hint, way worst than what reported on the mass media). To date, Russians weapon production are easily at 6x more than entire NATO combined (even if you add in Hungary and Turkey). With China supplying, that numbers unofficially up to 20x. The entire Ukraine population now is maybe about 1/5 of 2021. NATO is weak on battle field (remember their economies now out of cheap Russian oil and cheap Chinese green tech). The correct chess moves for NATO is to get Ukraine negotiate a peace truce with Russia. Had they ignore BoJo back then, at least 500K Ukrainians would be alive today and they get to keep their only route to sea. Now? Pretty much gameover for them. 2 generations of men gone. Best of the best lands 100% gone. Russians planning to seal off Ukraine as land-lock and willing to fight another 20 years at US-Afghan level to render Ukraine as a former country. Good luck. Got time read Sun Tzu. Winning battles on the nego table is always the better option than to render country-cide. American idealism of revolutionary independence war is very rare in history and not practical today especially world most powerful army as neighbor and enemy. Ukrainians failed to read that book and have to pay for the price deary.


Seems your employer gave you the wrong memo, it's the Russian who have lost 500k not Ukraine.

But I'll bite, Afghan withdrawal was always going to be messy so don't get your "the USA doesn't want you to know about this secret that only I know because it came to me in a dream".

>humiliated in Syria

USA is still there and most likely will be there for a while unless Trump gets elected.

>Russian weapons production is 6 bazillion times more than lichtenstein

And yet they lose all this bazillion of weapons to a ratio of at least 1:2 in Ukraine's favor[1] [1]https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine

And as they say it's not the quantity of weapons but the effectiveness of the weapon that is the determining factor, hence why NATO focus on quality as their doctrine is different than the USSR strategy that Russia is now forced to rely on.

>countries shouldn't have independence they should roll over to the bigger imperialist

Truly the peak thinking of 1800s geopolitics, I assume then that you're in favor of colonialism too?




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