>He didn't refuse! He was there at the White House to sign the agreement! Then Trump and Vance kicked him out without offering him the chance to sign it!
We all saw what happened. The man was shaking his head long before the departure. He "didn't refuse" except by all communication and body language. If a man argued "she didn't refuse" after signaling in every way she wasn't interested, no one would buy your absurd and farcical assertion. They're only accepting it now because it suits their fictional premise. Even an autist can clearly see the disinterest.
"He didn't refuse" is the new propaganda to cover up how badly Zelensky fucked up in diplomacy. They sat the man down to sign it, then what we witnessed happened instead.
Lol, what. You're right, we all saw what happened.
Trump was calling Zelenskiy a "dictator with a 4% approval rating" (it was 52%, now 68%) the week before! He and all his cabinet appointees keep equivocating on who started the war. He keeps lying about how much value has been given to Ukraine (it's less than half of the 350b he claims). He went on a tirade about how he and Putin "went through the Russia hoax together". Vance has leaked text messages from months go saying he "won't even take calls from Ukraine".
>“Dude I won’t even take calls from Ukraine,” he told Johnson in October, about three weeks after House Republicans blocked additional aid to help Kyiv repel the Russian invasion. “Two very senior guys reached out to me. The head of their intel. The head of the Air Force. Bitching about F16s.”
Trump was never truly interested in a fair deal. He wants an arrangement that will let him suck up to Putin while quickly claiming success no matter how dogshit the terms are, and Zelenskiy isn't enough of a pushover to give him that.
I didn't know about these JD texts, but it checks out. It has seemed to me that:
* Trump has a chip on his shoulder over this first impeachment and the Muller investigation
* He sees this whole thing as a bother, and Zelensky a nuisance
That oval office "mean girls" meeting makes total sense now; both Trump and Vance feel the above. They just want quick credit for a quick end and care about nothing else.
I hope the families of the dead ask Zelensky these important questions. My conjecture is he was unwilling to take an ego bruise for the sake of his country.
His approval rating went up afterwards. He's representing his country.
Ukrainians have a very bad history with "politicians that bend the knee when the screws are turned on them".
There's only so much lying you should expect the Ukrainians to sit there and take. Trump going on and on about how much Putin wants peace in front of him is just fucking absurd.
Polls are weird. In 2016, the polls strongly suggested Trump would not win.
Ukraine is a war zone under martial law. Informal ratings are likely even less reliable than in more stable place.
Properly administered democratic elections can capture approval. But those were canceled in Ukraine (constitutionally) due to the war and martial law. Their most reliable capture of approval, was canceled!
The 2016 polling margin was off by about 2%. Mattered immensely for who won, but it's a myth that the polls were massively wrong about public opinion. They were highly accurate!
>Polls are weird. In 2016, the polls strongly suggested Trump would not win.
None of the polling suggested that. They suggested Clinton had a 2-3 point popular vote lead. She did in fact have a 2-3 point popular vote lead. It's not the polling's fault that it's measuring something that the US doesn't actually use to select the President.
Outlets that did take state polls into consideration and tried to simulate the electoral vote, namely 538, gave Trump a basically 1/3 chance to win.
You skipped over this portion. He didn't refuse.