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This topic came up at Christmas dinner with family. I had no luck coming up with a reason why they should care.

"Control" would not be a better argument with them. Everything is already controlled. What amazon, google, youtube, facebook, instagram, tiktok, netflix, spotify, recommend to you is all controlled. Various insurance (health, car, etc) is relatively controlled. Through an employeer you usually get health insurance. If you're self or un-employed they require, or did require, extensive health info before they would let you sign up.

And, I'm not entirely sure I disgree with that. Why should my premiums be higher because someone else wants to participate in risky behavior?

Like many here I go though lots of trouble to stay anon. VPNs, multiple unrelated browser profiles, multiple browsers, never use the same email address twice, differnt passwords, etc.... But I can't really think of a truely compelling reason to to give to my family why they should do anything similar.

I can mention things like the girl who's parents discovered she was pregnent when advertisers started sending her baby care ads. But, that's just not relevant to them.



Control is the other end of freedom. Do they hate freedom? ;-)

People often say they have nothing to hide, but they don’t get to decide, the powers that be will make that determination. Law enforcement, civil judgements, corporate penalties, etc.

Everyone breaks some rules. For example, Ford knows you’re speeding while GM sells that info to your insurance company.


That example of Ford knownig you're speeding wouldn't change their mind. In fact I'm not sure it I have a problem with it. You already need a license to drive. Given how bad drivers are getting I actually feel like I wish all cars were tracked and tickets given out. Bad driving risks other people's lives.

On the other hand, it's likely the traffic violations will go down as self driving car usage increased. Though of course, that will increase the surveillance


If you are trying to convince people to care about their privacy etc, you’re doing a lousy job.

They also know when you’re having sex in the car, but I didn’t mention it out of politeness.


HN has already voted even they don't care. The majorty were happy they could have sex in Waymos and downvoted anyone who thought that was not ok.

But that still wouldn't convince my family. None of them are having sex in cars.


Just an example. "I don't care about the Bill of Rights, because I'm not doing any of those things." Sadly, not an uncommon take. But one day you'll realize how wrong it was, and you had power to push back.




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