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Unique British problem caused by tea. What must you Americans think of us? (is it true that Americans don't have enough power through the mains to boil a kettle?)


Is that tongue-in-cheek? Of course they can boil a kettle.

It does take ages, though.

Conventional kettles seemed to take perhaps twice as long to boil in CA than in UK. Boiling water at 230V,13A in the UK is going to be much faster than 120V,15A in the US.


Assuming you're heating 300 mL of water. The specific heat capacity of water is 4.2 J / (g°C) [3]. If you're heating it from 20°C room temperature to 100°C boiling, that's a temperature increase of 80°C. The metric system is set up so that 1 mL of water weighs 1 g (give or take a little based on temperature, pressure, impurities, etc), i.e. the density of water is 1g / mL. Plugging in the numbers:

  (4.2 J/(g°C)) * (1 g/mL) * 300 mL * 80°C = 100800 J
So approximately 100 kJ of energy is needed to boil 300 mL of water. One kW of power is a delivery of one kJ per second.

How much power do we have available? In the UK, there's 230V * 13A = 2990 W ~ 3 kW. In the US, there's 120V * 15A = 1800 W = 1.8 kW.

So in the UK it takes 100 kJ / 3 kW ~ 33 seconds. (One kW is 1 kJ / s.) In the US it takes 100 kJ / 1.8 kW ~ 56 seconds.

These times are likely lower bounds. Assuming the voltage and current given by the parent are correct (or you measure them directly and substitute those numbers) and you measure out exactly 300 mL of distilled water, the biggest source of error is probably the fact that you're heating more than the water. You also have to heat the resistor in your kettle or electric stove, the thermally conducting, electrically insulating housing for the resistor, the kettle itself, and the surrounding air. And water molecules heat unevenly (my thermodynamics is a bit sketchy but I think this is called a Boltzmann distribution [2]?) so a few will evaporate before the water reaches a uniform 100°C, carrying off energy.

My guess would be that the above effects matter less in the UK because the higher power means they would have less time to operate.

I'm pretty sure that this analysis deals correctly with the fact that the current is AC [1]; if any experts on the mysteries of power engineering want to correct me, please do reply.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_mean_square#Average_electr...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_distribution

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_water#Heat_capacity_...


Um, no.

Heating rate is a function of wattage, not voltage.

EDIT: my error. I neglected to notice the amps shown and just picked up on the voltage.


W = V * I

W1 = 230V * 13A = 2990

W2 = 120V * 15A = 1800

slight bit more power in the 220-240v at 10-13ish amp system than 120 @ 15


Don't most stoves in the US use 220?

EDIT: oops, just realized that these are likely electric kettles. I was thinking of the stovetop variety.


Yep these are separate plugin versions.

the kettle i just bought on the weekend draws 2300W


I think he was implying power by listing the voltages and currents (230/13 vs. 120/15)


American power does seem a bit lacking. Turning on the hoover makes the lights dim.


Branch circuit voltage sag, from running the vacuum on the same circuit as the room lighting. Doesn't happen in commercial buildings, where the lighting runs on 277v.


That's not true, although it does take a little longer here than in the UK.

Mainly, we just prefer coffee.


And pop-corn machines...


(is it true that Americans don't have enough power through the mains to boil a kettle?)

Wait till you find out that they don't really use kettles. They put an old fashioned pot/kettle on the oven hob....


Though mostly we just go out to Starbucks.


In the US in the places I've lived, Ive uses and continue to use municipal gas to cook, and boil water for tea. It heats up water fast. Doesn't strain the electric grid but has other issues.


Does gas not have exactly the same issue? i.e. mains pressure drops when many people in the area are using it at the same time?


You can store gas, you can't store electricity.

So it's very easy to buffer gas for things like this.




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