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> No, what it implies is that those who intend to do evil against America cannot hide anywhere in the world.

Define "evil" and "America"? Seeing how war profiteers sending off your young into wars, and making everyone else pay for toys that are just as mind boggingly expensive as they are mind boggingly useless for anything but murder and control, doesn't seem to either count as "evil" or as perpetrating it against "America".

> we still have elections

Oh yeah. "Hope And Change! Now That I Got This Fuck You". Rinse, repeat.

> aren't sending political prisoners to siberia

No, you send them to Gitmo or black sites. Snowden is stuck in Russia. Manning got tortured right at home.

> we haven't killed tens of millions of our own people

Well, the private prison industry is more profitable, is it not? http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/blog/%E2%80%9Clockup-quot...

Indeed, why kill people when you can milk them? Murdering millions of people is very low tech, and unless, you use very expensive weaponry others pay for, just not profitable. From a capitalistic viewpoint it's plain dumb. I think that explains more than any "values" you might think are present at higher echolons of power.



> Oh yeah. "Hope And Change! Now That I Got This Fuck You". Rinse, repeat.

Those liberals who opposed the war in Iraq and voted for Obama turned right around and cheered for intervention in Syria. It's not some failure of democracy when people get what they want.

> No, you send them to Gitmo or black sites. Snowden is stuck in Russia. Manning got tortured right at home.

One U.S. citizen was ever held in Guantanamo, and he was caught fighting against the U.S. in Afghanistan. He was transferred out. Snowden is stuck in Russia because he doesn't want to face charges for crimes he committed. Manning submitted to military justice by joining the military.

> Well, the private prison industry is more profitable, is it not? http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/blog/%E2%80%9Clockup-quot....

I very strongly oppose private prisons, but it's utterly ridiculous to compare them to the Stalinist regime. 8% of Americas prisoners are in private prisons. The number became substantially more than 0% only in this decade, while we've been imprisoning poor minorities in huge numbers since the 1980's and 1990's. In other words, they're a response to incarceration rates, not something driving those incarceration rates.

It's not really a compelling argument to point to a random list of bad things about America then say "it's just like Stalinist Russia." There's no thought or reason in your argument, just vituperative handwaving.


Being manipulated into wars for profit is a functioning democracy for you? Guess what, democracy doesn't just mean "citizens making decisions, period", it means "citizens making informed decisions" at the very least. I wonder if any country in the whole world is a "real" democracy in that sense, but the US sure as fuck isn't. It's not even running.

> It's not really a compelling argument to point to a random list of bad things about America then say "it's just like Stalinist Russia."

Then point to where someone said that? Let me quote it:

The kicker is a comment that juxtaposes the logo with a warning illustration saying "Know your communist enemy" with a nearly-identical logo, presumably implying an evil enemy from the Cold War, which we have become.

An enemy. Not "just like Stalinist Russia". Nobody was even talking of Stalin... Yes, the Soviets were also an enemy to their own people, but I read the above as the US slowly but surely becoming an evil enemy to others. That your population even is for letting people rot in Gitmo (not because there is even a shred of evidence against them, but because they might "turn terrorist"), or don't terribly mind extrajudicial killings, by drone or otherwise, or aggressive wars doesn't even matter. That it's (in your eyes) a functioning democracy isn't relevant either: it's like the Nazis aren't excused by everybody voting for Hitler or screaming for total war. If murder of foreigners is somehow less wrong to some, then that doesn't make it less of murder, it makes it worse in my books. And while you could quibble about scale, I would respond that if a friend of yours killed 1 person, you would probably not want to be their friend anymore, at all - instead of saying "at least it wasn't 10, 100 or 1000". Also, the US is not stingy when it comes to scale or brutality, either.




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