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"Why Free Software missed the point of Open Source.":

doing WTF you like, commercial or not.



To be clear: Free Software does not object to commercial activity. Copyleft requirements happen to get in the way of some commercial activity, which the FSF and related community finds objectionable for reasons unrelated to its commercial nature. Stallman opposes "noncommercial" requirements in licenses, no FSF license has these, and such clauses are reason to call a license "nonfree".


Gpl on commerce, in a nutshell:

Sell this software without ability to modify: tyrant

Use this software to create a closed REST API: no problem


The license doesn't prevent the latter, but the FSF doesn't approve. There's also the AGPL, which would forbid the closed REST API.

None of that means there's no opportunity to make money. People might pay for convenience (I don't have to set up and run my own server, even though I technically could) or access to networks - if Facebook AGPL'ed their whole stack, people using Facebook would keep using Facebook because their friends are on Facebook.


So, where is the line where providing services with the software becomes acceptable? An API is obviously a service provided with the software, but so is consulting using a GPL statistical package. How, and where, can you draw the line between those things?


The customer is not the end-user of the GPL code; the consultant is. The customer is an end-user of the consultant. That relationship will be governed by a completely separate contract.

On a related note, the output of a GPL program is not GPLed. I can compile non-GPLed code with GCC. Myths like this keep getting used as FUD.

Licenses with a network-use clause, like AGPL and CPAL, define access over a network as distribution. This would cover an API, but would not cover going via a consultant, since the consultant isn't software. If you want to argue that people's minds are software, you may as well argue that our teachers hold the copyright to our thoughts.


I'll have to look at those network use clauses. I've always found proprietary, BSD, and AGPL to have coherent philosophies. The GPL, on the other hand, has always felt to me to be much more of a mishmash of whatever Stallman likes or dislikes.


I'm confused - it's the GPL that fails to make a distinction between the REST API and the consultant. I'd thought you were criticizing that distinction as being arbitrary.


Yes, that's what I think and what I thought I'd been saying. What of what I've said indicates otherwise?


I see contradiction in:

1) The AGPL is philosophically well founded, the GPL is arbitrary.

2) The AGPL enforces an arbitrary distinction, the GPL does not.


I think I've found the confusion. I was still talking about the GPL in my second comment. I see why that was confusing given that you'd explicitly added the AGPL into the discussion, sorry.

I might have better stated it as "I agree the AGPL removes the tension, I think the AGPL is philosophically coherent. But the FSF still primarily pushes the GPL. [transclude prior comment]"


Hm, I still don't see how that resolves it.

You say "How, and where, can you draw the line between those things?", when the AGPL does precisely that and the GPL refuses to.

I'm not trying to criticize, here, I'm trying to understand...


I'm criticizing the GPL as inconsistent because it draws lines haphazardously. That it is ok with the API but not with the distribution feels arbitrary and inconsistent to me.

The AGPL is elegantly precise - anything you do to the code becomes public.

The bad is elegantly precise - anything you do is fine.

GPL is complicated and inelegant - some things are fine while their near equivalent actions aren't.

Edited to clarify


"Anything you do becomes public" is an inaccurate description of the AGPL. That consultant can keep things private.


In principle, the line is a gradient based on how much you're putting yourself in a position of power over your users.

The consultant doesn't serve so much of the market that there won't be tons of competitors. If he makes some changes to better meet his particular needs, that has a very small impact on my options as a client. I would prefer that he share it, if anyone else is interested in it, but it doesn't matter very much at all.

One API can potentially serve the entire market, and you wind up with just a few players all fighting for lock-in. Proprietary changes there matter quite a bit more.




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